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Post by journey on Mar 7, 2018 7:48:03 GMT
Hi, Kirk here. Since feeback was requested by Johnny and the other mods, I'm moving my thoughts here for everyone to see and hopefully spark a discussion.
We've all been through a lot the last week or so. Things came to light that really shook things up and we've all heard bits and pieces of the circumstance, though some probably aren't entirely sure that we know everything. I'm not going to get into that. Ask the mods if you need to know the exact details of what brought us here. This post is not to detail my opinions on what happened, but to show what I think of the aftermath and what I believe should happen from here on out.
The Aftermath and Escape Rope: Most of us, if not all, have come from the Underground, Roleplay Theater, or Fan Fiction & Writing sections of the forums to this brand new place. It may not look like much, but it took several people 24 hours of constant work to make sure we had a place to continue our hobbies without the fear of everything going dark, while also waiting for something more stable. That stability was originally planned to be what was temporarily, yet aptly named Escape Rope. Thanks for your hard work guys.
However, this is where I also start to have issues. One one hand, the decision to make ER seems very... spur of the moment. People wanted to keep the community together, and their response was to start another forum. If this were truly spur of the moment, I wouldn't think this decision would be wise. A lot of thought is needed in order to even begin supporting a community as big as PC. Choosing to go with ER so fast just seemed like some were begging for the same issues that plagued PC and then some. On the other hand, ER may have had some more thought put into it than we are aware of.
Several people (outside of the staff) were informed before the chaos ensued, both of PC's "impending doom" and of the new "safe haven" in the form of ER. I don't know how long people have known, but it leaves a sick taste in my mouth regardless. Both of these possible scenarios don't paint a good picture for ER to me. Its a place that not only doesn't exist at the moment, but also just seems to good to be true. Realistically, its going to take a lot of time to set up just a stable base for it to function, let alone for it to grow into what people want it to be.
PlayWrite: Now, it goes without saying that PlayWrite would share some of these problems. It was a bit rushed, though the idea of saving our works definitely supported that speed. To me, it seemed like a lot of people joined without question. I definitely feel that a group mentality was in place that didn't leave many chances for opinions to be shared and heard. It makes me wonder if this is really what people want, both individually and as a whole. This is not to slam on the people who put their time and effort into starting PlayWrite, nor to say that they didn't do the right thing. I appreciate it, but I also want all options to be considered.
Furthermore, PlayWrite is without a stable foundation. Sure, the UG, RPT, and FF&G are a pretty close-knit set of groups with a good number of returning players, writers, etc. But is that what makes a stable base? It helps, but no. It's pretty likely that the majority of us did not first come to PC with these particular hobbies or forums in mind. We joined because we liked Pokemon (or for the ROM hacking, because who didn't?). Came for Pokemon, stayed for what we have right here. The creative aspects behind the groups that make up PlayWrite make us a niche community, and though this isn't a bad thing, we definitely won't have the reach that we had on PC. Do we have the pull to attract others? Can we really just stay as this small community forever?
What Needs to be Done/Fixed: Despite having been a member of PC for just under 9 years, I don't mind the disassociation with it. PC had a fair amount of problems before recent events, and as we know, recent events have not helped. As such, remaining as PlayWrite, a separate entity from PC and ER, is an option I wholeheartedly support. It will allow us to grow in a way that we find healthy, which wasn't always possible while we remained as sub-forums.
This also gives us the ability to work on a much better administration, one that works for the admins, mods, and users alike. If we plan on having PlayWrite for the long term, changes need to be vocalized, discussed, decided upon, and done by this entire community, not the select few mods. Please make sure that we all listen, and that we all have the opportunity to speak. What other changes do you see needing to be made now?
The Future: At the moment, there are three possible options that I would be prone to consider.
First and foremost, we could stick to PC. This isn't necessarily the option I hope for. As one with little nostalgic attraction to the site, I say the issues are just too great. There are a lot of issues here, ranging from the administration to simple buggy site software to recent events. People have their qualms. However, the site offers a semi-firm base (depends on how PC holds up) that many of us are used to. Recently, Jake, Rika, and a few other admins (both new and old, I believe) have came forth with news of the future, including what they believe is needed to be done and what can be done. Only time will tell where this leads.
The second option is to stick solely with PlayWrite. Unfortunately, I believe we have a pretty unstable foundation and power structure at the moment. We do not have a firm base to stand on, nor a clearly detailed plan to move forward. We would have to do things fairly fast to make sure we get things figured out and to make sure that we don't get used to the lack of stability.
Finally, we could stick with PC for the mean time while we plan for the future of PlayWrite. This is my favorite option as it gives us somewhere to stand, albeit temporarily, as we plan out what needs to be done for PlayWrite. We will be able to take a bit more time with this as we likely won't feel as rushed as if we only had PlayWrite to hold onto. It will still take a lot of work, but the lesser necessity gives us some room to breathe.
Conclusion: Anyways, what do you guys want or think? Do you agree or disagree? What are some things you would like to see from PlayWrite? Join in on the conversation guys. This is your community, let your voice be heard.
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Johnny
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Post by Johnny on Mar 7, 2018 8:56:03 GMT
You are right about everything. Especially about people having to speak up and say what they want. Everyone needs to decide by themselves what they want to do, but I realise some of you may not have the full story and while I can't tell you what to do, I can tell you where I stand and why.
PlayWrite was set up as a temporary solution as journey said. The initial idea was to eventually move to ER, since PC was going to hell. This was GP's and Bard's idea, anyway. Chura and I didn't want to move to ER, mostly because of the people who were gonna be administrating the forums. We felt that a lot was wrong with PC in the first place and that ER's administration wouldn't differ much from it and thus, we wanted to keep PW separated from PC or ER.
When I saw Jake's (Laslow) announcement on PC, I thought of going back to PC. Then a Discord server was created, one that included GP, Bard, Chura and I and the new admins; to discuss going back to PC as staff. It was a long, long discussion and somewhat informative. The gist of it: Steve/Rukario is no longer shown as staff, but he still is the owner of the server and he's the one paying for it and he won't really be giving away PC, if the new admins want it, they're gonna have to buy it and Rika said that PC is worth anywhere between 30k/130k dollars. In short, they won't be buying PC, they need to find someone with the money and willing to buy it, but being honest, I doubt anyone would buy PC after the whole scandal, and one more thing: PC isn't self-sustainable, according to them, Steve has been taking money out of his own pocket to pay for PC, which the current admins cannot do.
In short, PC belongs to Steve. Another thing to add is that PC's biggest sub-community (rom-hacking) fled the scene and made their own forum as well. I'm not aware of the magniture of the userbase that migrated to that new forum, but suffices to say, this is PC's worse moment by far. That "reach" PC has, is lower than it ever has been, and Steve isn't out of the picture. If you ask me, PC is doomed and will innevitably die. Admins can't buy PC, they can't maintain it and and their biggest sub-communities are gone.
Now, about PW: I think we've lost that "reach" and being completely honest, we'll most likely never be as big as PC once was. That said, we do have an insanely active community, PW can stand on its own for now, but we will eventually have to do something to stay afloat, which will be hard, but not impossible.
In the worst case scenario, there's always a place on PC, even if the decisions won't be up to us. Regardless of how this goes, I will not go back to PC as staff. I've had enough of it and I'm not just talking about Steve.
Anyway, in the short-term there's a lot we can do to improve the place, please do speak up if you have any ideas.
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Fifi
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Post by Fifi on Mar 7, 2018 9:30:33 GMT
I'm of two minds about it. In the RPT Discord I've been one of the biggest proponents of staying PW. I've obviously never been a PC admin, so many of the problems y'all have faced in that front is just something I don't know about. However, as was stated, PC is probably the most stable option for us. I don't like the current situation at PC from a user perspective, since the whole situation seems to be damage control now, and actually fixing issues later.
For other stability purposes there is ER. But right now that whole situation is up in the air again. I don't have any grievances with any of the staff who left for ER, they all seem like good people and that is a plus in that direction. Ultimately it just seems like it would end up being another less stable version of PC (once the latter manages to get their feet back on the ground). Moving the entire community to stick it with a forum that doesn't even exist yet doesn't sound like a smart idea.
Now I did mention I was a proponent of the final option, staying PW (help being the first person aside from GP to migrate his RP over here). I'll include this with the idea of building up PW while still on PC, but that sounds a little counter-productive, go back to making content on one website to build up another. I feel our communities were somewhat insular from the main community of PC and, in their own way, somewhat separate from Pokemon itself. Sure, that is what the vast majority of us probably joined PC for (I confess I joined it since it was a very active roleplaying community, the Pokemon was secondary), but there is nothing inherently tying these hobbies to a Pokemon forum. Writing, Roleplaying, Forum games, and Mafia are all hobbies in their own right. Joining up with one of the larger forums would give us that passive growth from people joining the main forum and coming over, but I think this is a chance to sort of reinvent our communities. We can go from a small, kinda insulated community and sort of limit our RPs, Stories, Mafia games with the veneer and expectation that it is all Pokemon related to a creative works forum where the initial community just happened to like Pokemon (especially Bidoof).
These are just my two cents from someone who noticed a somewhat large portion of RPs on a Pokemon site were not Pokemon related, as well wanting a place to dabble more into creative writing but noticing the only writing community I had even a passing familiarity with was a Pokemon one.
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Glitter
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Post by Glitter on Mar 7, 2018 10:37:47 GMT
For me, this isn't really a matter of loyalty or anything. I'm an admin here, I'm getting my mod position on PC back and I'm hopefully being staffed on ER as well. I feel like I'm in a good position to focus on the important thing no matter where people go. The important thing being, as far as I'm concerned, the community - this community. My goal from the beginning has always been to provide the people who now make up PlayWrite's userbase with somewhere they can pursue their hobbies and enjoy and to keep the community together. That is still my goal going forward. From my understanding, the majority of people currently here have a preference for remaining on PlayWrite. For that reason I am committed to developing the site further and working on developing a more stable administrative structure, as well as searching for ways to grow the community. If PlayWrite is where you guys want to be, we will all do our best to make sure you have a quality forum to house you. Giving you guys what you want is our number one priority, wherever you decide to go. As for the more nitty-gritty side of things. We do have a long way to go. We need to properly organise our administrative structure, develop the site itself further and also look into ways to organically grow the community. There is good news on those fronts though. Firstly, all of us have a fair amount experience working as staff on forums now. We have learned what does and doesn't work and know first hand a lot of the issues we faced on PC in the past and have ideas on how to avoid them. On top of that, we're more interested in serving the needs of the community than in some grand vision - we're flexible. Secondly, we're not blind to the limitations of the free ProBoards base we're using. We can easily make aesthetically pleasing themes, but they don't have any change on functionality. That being said, it looks to me that we have a lot of options for development and customisation available to us for a free site. I don't know much about the web development side of things, but I think we can probably provide quite a lot functionally without it costing anyone money if you give us time. In the long term, me might need to start looking at the kind of upgrades we need to pay for, but that isn't an immediate concern. Finally, the growth of the community. Being honest, I think this will be the most difficult part. On PC, we had the unified interest in a franchise to bring us all together for whatever reason, PW doesn't have that. We're a group focused on fairly niche hobbies, but that isn't necessarily a weakness. There are common threads uniting everything we offer together and we can use those niches to our advantage. Our strengths lie in our community and our flexiblity. If we want to grow, we should look into marketing those strengths. journey, Johnny, Fifi, |
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Pudding
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Post by Pudding on Mar 7, 2018 11:49:12 GMT
Oh my, I've never put in my two cents in discussions for I'm not very good with words nor do I have the courage, but I know every small voice counts. I'll try my best.
I really loved your post, and I thank you for beginning this discussion. I wouldn't fathom the thought of starting such, and the same goes for everyone else stating their opinions on the matter. At last I will. But regardless, I am amongst those who want to stay in PW and wishes to see it prosper, whether it takes longer than expected matters not to me. I am willing to wait and help in any way I am able to see this small community build a strong foundation. I still lurk in PC and as some have mentioned, it appears to be the more stable option. While I can become active in both PC and PW were the community to decide to lean on PC for the time being, I will be posting and delivering the majority, if not all, of my content here in PW from now on.
I have decided to vote on PW being its own separate forum and not merging with ER.
I also confess I have rejoined PC months ago solely for the roleplays, preferably Pokémon RPs, and branched out into the other subforums during my stay. However, my main activity remained in the creative sections (and admittedly I do wish to eventually see an Arts section down the months in PW too, for before the sudden move I had been planning on rekindling my silly passion for drawing. Although I'm sure that won't be accomplished until a large enough interest is displayed nor do I mind if it's decided against either for the time being)
And that would be all I could really say for the time being.
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Pusheen
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Post by Pusheen on Mar 7, 2018 12:16:57 GMT
Johnny and GP already said my view on things, but here's my tl;dr. My priority is the community. If the community wants to be with a major forum (PC, ER), so be it. If they don't, then it doesn't merge. It all depends on your efforts on what I (and I think the mods) would do and aim for. I'm currently a mod on PC, and I'm not sure what I am on ER, probs just a cat. I'm overlord here though. Either way I can help out if you guys want to go for a specific path on the three choices given by Kirk. Also re: art, I'm not so sure about putting it up yet (wtf art mod) because of the lact of interest. Maybe if there's enough, I'll open one. :) journey, Johnny, Fifi, Glitter, Pudding, |
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Nero
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It's cool to know nothing
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Post by Nero on Mar 7, 2018 12:31:33 GMT
Got to the final stretch and accidentally refreshed the page, here we go again.
I don't have a whole lot to add, but I might as well add it. I also didn't join PC for the Pokemon, which I'm starting to wonder how common a theme that is here seeing as though it's been mentioned a few times now. I have a habit, or a weird tradition I guess, of joining Pokemon forums for a couple of years before leaving and moving on to another. Until 2015 I was a moderator and one of the most frequent posters of a much smaller forum, so I joined PC because one, I wanted a break and to become just another name in the crowd, and b, because I was interested in the RP and mafia subforums (and ROM hacking because of my past in FE ROM hacks but I never ended up posting there). So once again, another user who didn't have anything to do with the Pokemon side of the forum at all, just to bump those numbers up. I think I just liked the kind of people Pokemon attracted.
I definitely won't be joining ER if we decided to merge with it. I'd become pretty fed up with PC, and had decided to leave the site literally the day before the whole PPN thing was told to me and most everyone else, so PW couldn't have been better timed for me. I'm sure there are parts of and people from ER that I'll miss a little, but most of the reasons I left PC for are likely going to be carried over to ER, and possibly worse. However, I think everyone here at PW is dedicated and pretty tight-knit, so I'm sure we can self sustain, and effectively move forwards as our own forum.
So that's what I reckon, like my words carry any weight. Also on the topic of feedback, Playwrite Discord when
Edit: also thanks to the staff here for asking what we people want, and for putting your effort into Playwrite in the first place so that we can keep doing what we enjoy. You guys are seriously awesome.
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garlicbread
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Post by garlicbread on Mar 7, 2018 13:36:39 GMT
tbh I want to stick on PC and can't see myself being bothered to check both here and PC.
not sure if a lot of the UG people felt 'obligated' (not the right word) to go with PW since it seemed like 'everyone' was going towards it? wondering if there are other people like me who want to stay with PC but also want to play mafia
this is charlie brown btw
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DeusPro
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Post by DeusPro on Mar 7, 2018 14:05:17 GMT
I was literally on the verge of posting, but my goddamn school WiFi decided it wanted me to log in and I lost everything.
To write a tl;dr since I’m not feeling writing 4 large paragraphs again, I honestly love you guys. Many thanks to the mods for giving me a second chance on these forums.
Due to problems with both PC and ER listed above, I really want this to stay independent. As a large contributor to the forum games section, I want this to stay active, and to succeed.
I know I haven’t been a saint, but thank you for giving me another chance.
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adventure
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Hey y'all cray
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Post by adventure on Mar 7, 2018 19:17:08 GMT
Hello. I'm happy you guys are happy, even if I'm of course a bit sad you're leaving PC. Not because I'm leading it, but because I'd just started to slide back into the RPT again when all this happened and I don't think I can keep up with two sites being as busy as I am now... ;; So I will not be active here, most likely, but I will try to do what I can for the RP section on PC instead, hoping that new faces find it and that some old friends stay. I'd just like to address some stuff Johnny touched upon: I'm pretty sure I said, but forgive me if I didn't specifically clarify in that specific chatgroup, that a few sites online that just glanced at pokecommunity.com estimated its worth to anything between that. That really doesn't mean that it's true, or that Steve will even find a buyer who's willing to pay that much for an extremely old forum model, regardless of who it is. We're planning ways in which we can either buy PC directly, over time or at a later time but get hold of it completely beforehand (<- that is priority #1 right now), and believe us, we're trying to push a little bit every day for a proper plan and dates and sums. Discussing with Steve isn't always easy though; he is a man of, uh, few words. Getting him to agree to it in the first place was such a relief that we felt we had to give hope to the rest of the community, hence the announcement. Perhaps we should have waited until we actually owned the site, or controlled it fully financially and all, but that might have taken weeks or months, and PC would have crumbled and died at that point. As for PC being self-sustainable, it generally has been, it's just been going a bit badly over the past couple of months, apparently. We've been shown the numbers, at last. However, the deficit lately isn't worrying us, as we can pay that out of our own pockets if we have to. Regarding ads though - we've already looked at the skimlink problem you mentioned in a thread on PC, Fifi ! And I think we have set it to only showing for visitors now. Not sure why it was turned on for logged in users - it looks horrible (but apparently generates a pleasant income, oh the compromises...) For a while longer, in name and bills, yes, as we would really prefer he doesn't go off immediately and sell it to the highest random bidder on e-bay, some company or person who might not care at all about the community. So of course we are going to take our time and do what we can to do what is best for PC. In the meantime, we're removing Steve bit for bit wherever we can. Idk about that, on Discord for now maybe, but the forums are still getting replies and threads, and PC is still visible in searches and will continue to attract new members. Something this forum will struggle with, I assume - not saying you should give up, just that it might struggle with finding fresh blood in the long run, if older members drop off. What Kirk says, basically. PC as a site had a really rough bump, and some things you didn't enjoy about the place might not have changed, but some things have changed already and I'm certainly open to more suggestions. I can even push a very long confusing array of new buttons now :V One thing is definitely better here though; Playwrite might have an unfinished Pusheen theme, but PC doesn't have a Pusheen theme at all... |
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Bidoof
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Post by Bidoof on Mar 8, 2018 4:22:53 GMT
I like the concept of playwrite a lot. I like that I've been able to see people who haven't been active in this community active again, and being in this forum just feels... good.
However, the future of this forum scares me, like others have said faces around here will most likely drop off at some point. Through the years that I've been in this community it's almost completely different on both sides from when I first came. The people involved now haven't always been here and a lot of old faces are gone for good. I say this because the one worry I have with this forum is that since it won't show up in searches at the rate of PC and since it doesn't have one clear, incredibly common purpose on the level pokemon had, I wonder how we will be not only obtaining new members but also making this forum relevant for what it does. There are a LOT of mafia forums out there and I think it will be very difficult to cement ourselves. However, I think one of the most important ways we can give ourselves a stance is by attempting to enter the mafia championships and make a name for this forum. Word of mouth can only work on a limited scope and won't work forever.
I will be participating in Pokecommunity, Playwrite, and Escape Rope.
I love you guys
EDIT: rereading Charlie Brown's post, I honestly have wanted to post something in PC just to keep the Underground relevant but I feel incredibly intimidated in doing so. I think that burning bridges might be one of the quickest ways to kill this community outright, and sticking to this one forum might be what causes that. As much as I want this forum to work and will be trying hard to help make it work, I can't help but express my worry for it.
It's especially intimidating that being on PC and one of the other forums isn't an option at all. The 'All PC or no PC' mentality is tough to handle.
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Glitter
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Post by Glitter on Mar 8, 2018 4:33:04 GMT
I like the concept of playwrite a lot. I like that I've been able to see people who haven't been active in this community active again, and being in this forum just feels... good. However, the future of this forum scares me, like others have said faces around here will most likely drop off at some point. Through the years that I've been in this community it's almost completely different on both sides from when I first came. The people involved now haven't always been here and a lot of old faces are gone for good. I say this because the one worry I have with this forum is that since it won't show up in searches at the rate of PC and since it doesn't have one clear, incredibly common purpose on the level pokemon had, I wonder how we will be not only obtaining new members but also making this forum relevant for what it does. There are a LOT of mafia forums out there and I think it will be very difficult to cement ourselves. However, I think one of the most important ways we can give ourselves a stance is by attempting to enter the mafia championships and make a name for this forum. Word of mouth can only work on a limited scope and won't work forever. I will be participating in Pokecommunity, Playwrite, and Escape Rope. I love you guys EDIT: rereading Charlie Brown's post, I honestly have wanted to post something in PC just to keep the Underground relevant but I feel incredibly intimidated in doing so. I think that burning bridges might be one of the quickest ways to kill this community outright, and sticking to this one forum might be what causes that. As much as I want this forum to work and will be trying hard to help make it work, I can't help but express my worry for it. It's especially intimidating that being on PC and one of the other forums isn't an option at all. The 'All PC or no PC' mentality is tough to handle. Many of the staff here have returned to modding on PC, you can rest assured that we are perfectly happy to have you post in the PC UG as well as here. Entering the mafia championships is also a great idea. When are they again? We can get in touch with the organisers. |
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Post by Bidoof on Mar 8, 2018 4:54:03 GMT
I like the concept of playwrite a lot. I like that I've been able to see people who haven't been active in this community active again, and being in this forum just feels... good. However, the future of this forum scares me, like others have said faces around here will most likely drop off at some point. Through the years that I've been in this community it's almost completely different on both sides from when I first came. The people involved now haven't always been here and a lot of old faces are gone for good. I say this because the one worry I have with this forum is that since it won't show up in searches at the rate of PC and since it doesn't have one clear, incredibly common purpose on the level pokemon had, I wonder how we will be not only obtaining new members but also making this forum relevant for what it does. There are a LOT of mafia forums out there and I think it will be very difficult to cement ourselves. However, I think one of the most important ways we can give ourselves a stance is by attempting to enter the mafia championships and make a name for this forum. Word of mouth can only work on a limited scope and won't work forever. I will be participating in Pokecommunity, Playwrite, and Escape Rope. I love you guys EDIT: rereading Charlie Brown's post, I honestly have wanted to post something in PC just to keep the Underground relevant but I feel incredibly intimidated in doing so. I think that burning bridges might be one of the quickest ways to kill this community outright, and sticking to this one forum might be what causes that. As much as I want this forum to work and will be trying hard to help make it work, I can't help but express my worry for it. It's especially intimidating that being on PC and one of the other forums isn't an option at all. The 'All PC or no PC' mentality is tough to handle. Many of the staff here have returned to modding on PC, you can rest assured that we are perfectly happy to have you post in the PC UG as well as here. Entering the mafia championships is also a great idea. When are they again? We can get in touch with the organisers. The nomination thread was posted in PC in early April, but I believe the games themselves take place in June. Meaning we don't really have a lot of time to get in, I think. |
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Glitter
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Post by Glitter on Mar 8, 2018 5:07:27 GMT
Many of the staff here have returned to modding on PC, you can rest assured that we are perfectly happy to have you post in the PC UG as well as here. Entering the mafia championships is also a great idea. When are they again? We can get in touch with the organisers. The nomination thread was posted in PC in early April, but I believe the games themselves take place in June. Meaning we don't really have a lot of time to get in, I think. Thingyman has been contacted asking if Playwrite can participate this year. |
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Flamingo
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Post by Flamingo on Mar 8, 2018 5:56:39 GMT
I wasn’t a PC member (though, being fair, I did make an account; I just never got around to using it) so my opinion may seem a little biased (you can disregard it altogether if you want), but here it goes anyways…
I’d be very glad if this forum stayed as it is. To quote myself on a private conversation I held with another user, this is pretty much everything I want from a Pokémon forum, but it has a certain feeling of intimacy that makes it better than any site I’ve been in. I’ve had some problems in the past trying to “fit” in other bigger forums which I won’t mention (as this isn’t the place for a mindless rant) but I feel comfortable in here, everyone feels like a familiar face, and I’ve already participated in almost every area without any trouble.
Now, I completely understand that this forum may have problems surviving to its inactivity and that fusing with other forum might be necessary, but I’d love it if Playwrite stayed as Playwrite forever (if it’s possible, of course!).
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Oddy
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Post by Oddy on Mar 8, 2018 6:39:42 GMT
Alright, I've said my thoughts on Discord but I'll put them here too.
I'm solely supporting Playwrite at this stage. I don't fully understand or care about whats going on with PC, however, the way certain members of the staff there handled the situation left a sour taste in my mouth. Not to mention I have nothing holding me to the place. I don't honestly care about Pokémon all that much, but I've grown to really like some of the members of the RPing community PC had, and they were all that kept me there in the first place. I also think that being a part of PC was limiting our growth in some ways. I feel like the Multiverse had far more potential than it was given credit for, and I feel like a creative focused forum could give it the attention it needed.
So, I firmly believe that with enough work Playwrite can firmly stand as its own thing. No, It won't be as big as PC. That isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Smaller communities make it easier to grow closer to one another. Yes, inevitably people will leave. However, I feel like a place where people are able to share their creative works and not be judged is something plenty of people would be looking for, and that while it will take some time and love to get it off of its feet, I have hope that it will succeed.
I'm tired, and will probably have more to say in the morning, but this is the basic premise of what is going through my head at the moment.
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Post by Estrello on Mar 8, 2018 8:17:32 GMT
I sing where the music takes me. To use a metaphor.
I will post whereever the community is, I have no objections for PC or PW.
I think some people here underestimate exactly how many people roleplay and write. Given that writing is practically universal, so we've got the entirety of the writers in our language as a possible draw for new people, have you seen how many RP forums, writing forums, and authors there are?
While pokemon is a big franchise, it isn't as big as playing pretend which is foreign only to some.
Para mí, I would be fine if we just stayed our small close community, but that's not necessarily the way forward, don't get me wrong, I'm not antinewpeople. Eventually we will need people to fill in blanks people have left.
But whatever the community chooses to do, I'm for it, unless that means living in a van a few miles inside the sahara desert with nothing but a pet rat and you guys squeezed in there. Then we might have to think of alternate accomadation.
I'd like to wait until everyone has voted, instead of just seeing the trend and taking that.
Also the poll is a little narrow.
What Foxrally said
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Post by foxrally on Mar 8, 2018 8:18:09 GMT
UGH why is everyone leaving long replies now I feel like an outcast
I like both forums and just like everyone said I'll just go where the community is more active and work in both, but if I HAD to pick one it would be PC, because there's a lot of history there already and I know the css of the place.
But yeah, I just wanna keep memeing and writing with friends so you could make a fourth forum called Foxrallysucks and I'd still hang out on that.
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Post by Glitter on Mar 8, 2018 8:37:02 GMT
UGH why is everyone leaving long replies now I feel like an outcast I like both forums and just like everyone said I'll just go where the community is more active and work in both, but if I HAD to pick one it would be PC, because there's a lot of history there already and I know the css of the place. But yeah, I just wanna keep memeing and writing with friends so you could make a fourth forum called Foxrallysucks and I'd still hang out on that. Can I?  |
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Post by L'Belle on Mar 8, 2018 8:53:44 GMT
I will stay on all 3, and I don't mind any of these options to be fair.
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Post by Glitter on Mar 8, 2018 10:10:29 GMT
Note: If you're staying on all three you don't really need a poll option as you'll be happy regardless. Your input in text format like Fox or L'Belle is still appreciated.
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Post by kiyotakaishimaru on Mar 8, 2018 11:50:22 GMT
To be honest, I was a large fan of PC; although I never joined it until last year, I liked the atmosphere, the aesthetic, and the effort placed into making a community for everyone. When I joined though last year, I had a lot of things to take care of such as my responsibilities in my home forum and in my academics, so I've only had time to be in the Underground and never noticed that there were issues underlying the administration.
Going to the recent days, I was shocked to see that Pokecommunity had a large fire burning, what with most of the staff leaving. I wasn't honestly really sure what to feel because I've only been involved in the UG, but it's sad that things can't return back to what it once was and that the community is divided despite the efforts by both PC and ER.
On that note though, I feel that I'd prefer staying in Playwrite. I don't really think that staying in PC is healthy (for now) while ER's promise of a fresh start is maybe too idealistic and there may be more problems than meets the eye. As for Playwrite, though it may be unstable for now and the userbase is limited, I think it's a comfortable enough place and the people in here are mostly ones I'm more familiar with. I think that the start here is good, but there may be problems in the long run, but it's nice that the staff are not only acknowledging it, but making an effort to establish a place for us. Thus, I'm going with Playwrite, but I have to say that I'm still going to check up on both PC and ER in the days to come.
I'll try to be more active here after I finish up finals and other duties, and I'll try to see what I can do to help Playwrite.
Thanks!
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Post by Zoska on Mar 8, 2018 22:31:41 GMT
I joined PC because I was looking for a new community to be involved in and to find new people to hang out with. I found both of those things, and UG was what lead me to them. For quite a while at least I'm sticking with this community, and I'll go wherever the majority decides what they think is best, but personally I don't think we should go back to PC or lean on them while PW gets its roots down. There were a fair amount of problems that were probably too deep to deal with, it feels like the whole storm with Steve was the final push. It's true that despite all of that, PC is still pretty big and still possibly a safe source of new users, but I don't think PW needs to get that big, it just needs a stable userbase where we're gaining more users than losing them. It'll just take time and effort, and as long as we enjoy our time here, it'll be worth it.
I'm not sure on merging with ER atm. I'm really leaning more on PW being its own independent thing. It all depends on how things go when the ER forums finally take off.
There was more I wanted to say, but I really can't think of how to write it down atm.
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Post by jdthebud on Mar 9, 2018 7:34:35 GMT
Alright here's my two cents.
My activity on PC has been limited to the UG pretty much extensively that last few years, with the odd contribution to a GT event, the occasional hack thread, or the Challenges forum, which is where I started on PC.
So I don't really have a strong connection with PC in general anymore, just the UG. I'm basically going to be in wait-and-see mode as it pertains to what the mafia community here does, since I don't see enough active members in this community that seem willing to split time between here and PC, let alone Escape Rope, for that matter.
For now I'm content to stay here on Playwrite and see what happens. If nothing else, we can maintain the UG community here for the time being. And for the future, I'm for the best option that keeps it together, whatever it is.
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Post by Johnny on Mar 9, 2018 13:52:22 GMT
I'm glad everyone's sharing their opinions. It seems that despite some concern, the general consensus is that PlayWrite should stay permanently.
We'll be making sure this is a fun place for everyone. In the meantime, I'd really, really appreciate it if you guys would share any specific concerns/issues/suggestions and make separate threads for it so we can start working on those.
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Post by garlicbread on Mar 11, 2018 1:52:32 GMT
Just a few things I wanted to say:
- let's just keep in mind that the poll data is skewed -- people who are active on PW are the ones voting on it. I forgot about PW for a few days so didn't see the poll until now rip.
- let's also keep in mind that we don't know who voted for what option. e.g. it could be that all the 'let's move back to PC' votes are from RP regulars for example whereas all the stay on PW votes are from UG people. so don't know how conclusive this poll is
- and +1 to what doof (I think it was doof?) said about sustainability of this forum. on PC or a bigger forum we'll always have a stream of members coming in to the forum and some of them will stumble upon the UG and stick around there, so we've got a stream of fresh blood. whereas there is zero chance of any fresh blood stumbling upon this site in all honesty so as people drop off this place won't survive
after the game I signed up to ends I don't think I'll stick around here in all honesty, can't see myself putting in the effort to transplant myself somewhere new unfortunately. th0ough if PW does end up what the community wants i do hope i am wrong and that this place doesn't die in a couple months.
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Post by Johnny on Mar 11, 2018 2:21:52 GMT
PC might have a large userbase, but its future it's still hanging on a thread. Shit is bound to blow up again and unless someone buys the forum off Steve, that possibility will always be there. Going back to PC means risking the possibility of success in PlayWrite and possibly ending up with nothing if PC eventually goes to hell.
You can argue that it will not, but just think about how serious this was and how quickly it blew up. What makes you think it won't happen again?
EDIT: Also, Josh: Unless you can prove that more people wants to stay on PC, I won't ignore the facts.
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Post by Not Foxrally on Jan 5, 2023 0:54:37 GMT
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